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23/09/2006, 11:43 AM Birdy Joined on 23/09/2006 Posts 1 Re: RE: Why are ther no jobs for 14 and a half year olds??? Do you have a problem with teenagers? Are you the spelling and grammer police? And as for the GCSE's, how many did you get when you were in comprehensive school? They don't give them away in cereal packets, they are awarded to students, who have worked extremely hard for them, in envelopes. Surely someone with your intelligence should know that! (Sarcasm, by the way.) What makes you think that Keeley works with fries anyway? You don't even know her, you are just making judgements, but then again so am I about you, but my judgements seem justified from your opinions.      Report

25/09/2006, 9:13 PM dochardy Joined on 22/09/2006 ENFIELD Posts 105 Re: RE: Why are ther no jobs for 14 and a half year olds??? Povert--stricken boys and girls can get some ideas from this site. However, it would be helpful to e-mail your friends in other areas in order to share.    Report

27/09/2006, 11:38 PM PLASTICMASTER Joined on 31/03/2006 Posts 90 Re: RE: Why are ther no jobs for 14 and a half year olds???  PLASTICMASTER wrote: I whole heartedly support every positive comment on this thread supports young people gain appropriate work and the work ethnic. I do not support negative, critical and arrogant comments of a few here who seem to put young people down and not being supportive of their independent potential, whatever the level of the work. As long as young people under 16 (last week of June when 16) are fully aware of the following which are aimed to protect. Suitable work might be basis domestic gardening or paper round say at weekend or 1 to 2 of hours per day that do not conflict with school or education. Remember you have 50 years to experience work, enjoy your youth and learning whilst you can Children may not work: without an employment permit issued by the education department of the local council in any industrial setting eg factory, industrial site etc during school hours before 7.00 am or after 7.00 pm for more than one hour before school for more than four hours without taking a break of at least one hour in any occupations prohibited by local by-laws or other legislation eg pubs, betting shops in any work that may be harmful to their health, well-being or education without having a two week break from any work during the school holidays in each calendar year These are your protective rights      Report

29/09/2006, 12:26 AM dochardy Joined on 22/09/2006 ENFIELD Posts 105 Re: RE: Why are ther no jobs for 14 and a half year olds??? Boys and girls are not prohibted from working per se by Laws and Regulations as outlined by PLASTICMASTER. If a relative, parent or friend wants somebody to remove old wallpaer in order to prepare a room for redecoration then you can lawfully be paid to do that job. By the same token, you can tidy a garden, paint a gate or clean a house for a fee. Care in the community means that you could charge a fee for helping people with disabilities or those suffering from self-neglect. In such cases, you will always find something that needs to be done to improve the welfare of the person concerned. Charging a fee is not always necessary but new friendships can lead to other job offers for boys and girls determined to make progress. Some Laws and Regulations are designed to protect children from an endless array of dangers. However, your parents should not be left out of the equation because they are best placed to make judgements related to your particular situation or job opportunity. You have a right to scrutinise laws Or Regulations in order to determine whether or not your intended venture or job is llawful. however, you will find they are extremely complicated and often open to different enterpretations.       Report

29/09/2006, 9:52 PM dochardy Joined on 22/09/2006 ENFIELD Posts 105 Re: RE: Why are ther no jobs for 14 and a half year olds??? This forum has been bunged up with teenagers slagging each other off over deliberate spelling and punctuation mistakes. This is all a waste of time. A schoolboy is not necessarily a lad attending a local school. The whole world is your school and people of all ages continue to learn wherever they go after leaving local education establishments. Teenage boys and girls in the UK are not alone when it comes to wanting or needing to learn. There are thousands of older people with poor literacy and no computer skills. Some are schoolgirls aged around 70. Irrespective of whether you are a male or female teenager in need of cash for topped-up university fees, trees or Christmas, it appears you all have one thing in common. This is related to your ability to use computers, design programmes and teach adults a lesson. An eight-year old can teach a four-year old basic English and maths using a computer or even a book. The fact that you are possibly labelled as pupils is not a bar to labelling yourselves as teachers. Just imagine how many boys and girls there are in the 30-60year-old age range with no computer skills and unable to read, write or count? Just imagine how many might be happy to pay a topped-up fee for your education skills such as they are? No girl or boy should ever under-estimate his or her inteligence and abilities. Instead of wasting time playing computer generated games, why not generate your own methods of combat (for a fee) against poorly educated, anti-social senior citizens? A 4x6 inch postcard outside your local newspaper shop advertising your service will probably do the trick, but remember, NO TRICKS and try be earn recommendations in order to ensure continuity of work.    Report

29/09/2006, 11:19 PM dochardy Joined on 22/09/2006 ENFIELD Posts 105 Re: RE: Why are ther no jobs for 14 and a half year olds??? Boys and girls can worm their way into wildlife conservation for a fee. Millions of adults have gardens but few worms for the birds. To produce worms you will need an enclosure where organic waste can be left to decompose. boys with trowels can build them for a fee using secondhand bricks. After you have established your keep, you can chuck seconhand newspaers and magazines into it together with waste food, grass cuttings and twigs. Worms will work to convest the discared waste to compost, a product that can be sold. Worms multiply very quickly and they too can be sold to anglers or your neighbours in dire need of worms for wild birds. This job is not likely to make big piles of money for you but it will save cash for your beloved local council and reduce transportation of waste by road. A hanful of worms can be sold for ten pounds but you should keep some for continual production. You can learn more about wormeries on the web. You might also find there are export markets for worms.     Report

01/10/2006, 1:58 PM dochardy Joined on 22/09/2006 ENFIELD Posts 105 Re: RE: Why are ther no jobs for 14 and a half year olds??? Fifty and more years ago, boys and girls went out looking for jobs and would have no trouble finding a small notice saying BOY WANTED, GIRL WANTED or VACANCY. We did not always know what the job entailed but would ask with confidence for details anyway. Girls and boys need cash for university fees, clothing. software, school uniforms and other things. It is not in the best interests of adults to leave boys and girls without a means of earning legal money so some suggestions have to be made for under sixteens in order to meet a demand. Under sixteens are responsible for ensuring that any part-time job they pursue is not likely to cause a breach of Regulations concerning the employment of minors. However, the same responsibilities appliy to anybody offering a part-time job to a minor. Job creation is really the name of the game because boys and girls can go out looking for something needing to be done. If you venture into a farmyard, by example, you will see untidyness, broken machinery, buildings in need of repair or painting, no water storage tanks and missing hedgerows for birds. The farmer might have no interest in your quest for work but he might be just waiting for some helping hands. You will not know one way or another by just thinking about it. Being nervous or lacking confidence is not an excuse for doing nothing.       Report

01/10/2006, 9:43 PM PLASTICMASTER Joined on 31/03/2006 Posts 90 Re: RE: Why are ther no jobs for 14 and a half year olds???  PLASTICMASTER wrote:  PLASTICMASTER wrote: I whole heartedly support every positive comment on this thread supports young people gain appropriate work and the work ethnic. I do not support negative, critical and arrogant comments of a few here who seem to put young people down and not being supportive of their independent potential, whatever the level of the work. As long as young people under 16 (last week of June when 16) are fully aware of the following which are aimed to protect. Suitable work might be basis domestic gardening or paper round say at weekend or 1 to 2 of hours per day that do not conflict with school or education. Remember you have 50 years to experience work, enjoy your youth and learning whilst you can Children may not work: without an employment permit issued by the education department of the local council in any industrial setting eg factory, industrial site etc during school hours before 7.00 am or after 7.00 pm for more than one hour before school for more than four hours without taking a break of at least one hour in any occupations prohibited by local by-laws or other legislation eg pubs, betting shops in any work that may be harmful to their health, well-being or education without having a two week break from any work during the school holidays in each calendar year These are your protective rights   Employment  Law and Education Law exists for reasons. The domestic place is an area for potential work with parental/ adult supervision.  However, once Employer regulations apply covering Health and Safety, Competancy, Insurance, National Insurance, Place of Work., Supervision.these do become prohibitive to youngster of age 16 and less.  In areas such as agriculture (especially dealing with tractors, ptos and equipment) the law has become rightly more prohibitive for under 16. Farms are dangerous work places.  Education is a right young people. All people can learn if they choose. Everyone and learn from each other.      Report

04/10/2006, 4:31 PM dochardy Joined on 22/09/2006 ENFIELD Posts 105 Re: Why are ther no jobs for 14 and a half year olds??? There are more suggestions for boys and girls in the thread entitled HOW CAN I GET A JOB. You need to change loft water tanks in order to tackle MRSA in the community. Drought is an invisible condition that might cause serious water shortages in your area soon. This means that industrial premises need to invest a bit of cash on increasing their ability to store more water. Factories and warehouses usually have loads of space where water tanks can be situated. Most need water for washing their lorries, vans or cars. Using your computer skills and a little time, you could spy on a factory and then design a water storage system for it. Afterwards, you can approach the manager with your method of combat against drought saved on a floppy disk and charge a fee for the design. Boys with the correct tools might be able to get some work by asking people if they wish to increase water storage capabilities. They are unlikely to come to you.    Report

09/10/2006, 6:02 PM xLoux Joined on 09/10/2006 Posts 1 Re: Why are ther no jobs for 14 and a half year olds??? i know what you mean about not being able to get a job, i think they are doing the right thing and coming on places like this  looking for jobs. We should give them credit, people arent bothered these days because you dont give us the respect we want. We look for jobs but are only just turned away, it makes me annoyed. Im 15 and work in a pub its the only thing i can do for money and i hate it, i hate the fact that people just turn you down because you are under 16, i thought getting a job in a small clothes shop or helping out at a cafe, your not even allowed to do that. I think if you get a reference of your tutor at school  and a letter from home saying that they will carry the responcibility i think that would be fine. At this age you  want to buy clothes and go out with your friends but its just hard to do that, and for you that are getting on at peoples spelling and stuff like that? they obviously arnt going to be able to spell as well as you seen as though you are about 50 on a website. I know my spelling isn't perfect but i know how to work.    Report

10/10/2006, 9:44 AM dochardy Joined on 22/09/2006 ENFIELD Posts 105 Re: Why are ther no jobs for 14 and a half year olds??? xLoux. Laws, rules and regulations are the reason for your predicament. Adults owning cafes, clothing shops or whatever type of business you mention would probably give you a part-time job so long as they are not found to be breaking the Law. If they do break any Laws then a big fine might be the outcome. Your spelling and grammar are not something you should be worrying about. There are lots of adults unable to write an article as well as you have posted on this thread. Your priority is to earn some legal cash on a regular basis but there are obstacles in your way and all young people are affected even when they are over the age of sixteen. If you were to check, you will find that Tony Blair has created about 3000 new Laws and Regulations that largely benefit the legal profession. Check further and you will find Mrs Blair to be heavily involved with the legal profession. Research will also reveal that employers have been complaing for many years about British industry being killed off by thousands of new Laws, rules and Regulations, many of which are manufactured by the European Union. There has to be some Laws, rules and regulations but it has all become another industry where the boys from the old school feather their own nests and take care of each other, not ordinary boys and girls under sixteen in need of a job. My advice right now is to plod on with your search for a job using please and thankyou and to never be disheartened by a rejection. Avoid completely any form of crime because the legal profession are waiting for you to help them with a nice little earner paid for by taxation.    Report

14/10/2006, 2:12 PM dochardy Joined on 22/09/2006 ENFIELD Posts 105 Re: Why are ther no jobs for 14 and a half year olds??? xLoux says she works in a pub and hates it. Millions of people work somewhere and are likely to hate it. In some countries, boys and girls work inside buildings where they are not paid and they endure dreadful working conditions. There is always somebody worse off than xLoux. Whilst working in the pub, xLoux could make the effort to spot work by looking for something needing to be done. This might be the cellar floor needing a good scrub or the walls in need of a painting. Pubs have fridges and they often need to be emptied and cleaned out. The list of jobs needing to be done in a pub is endless but you ought to look around and then make a suggestion to the landlord related to overtime! Any job must be better than no work and some legal cash is more desirable than none. I know that British girls and boys around the age of ten often want a job but in the UK they are restricted by the government. This could lead to boredom and I often wonder what they would be doing without computer games to pass the time. Fifty years ago we had no computers to play with but boys and girls had not been so restricted. At the age of ten, many had found some sort of a job and by so doing they learned about British industry, mechanics, hairdressing, cookery, warehousing, property maintenance and building. Adults with their own houses can often find something needing to be done such as gardening, painting or housework. Maybe you have an aunty or uncle who needs some work done?     Report

16/10/2006, 8:16 PM jangel Joined on 16/10/2006 Posts 2 Re: Why are ther no jobs for 14 and a half year olds??? I agree that it is extremely hard to find work when your'e a teenager since all they see is the number 14 and they see chav, delinquent and idiotic. I think employers should look beyond the stereotyping of the 21st century and see the person, even teenagers are human and should be treated as such. Many teenagers are loyal and trustworthy but many people don't see that. This is a major case of the minor overpowering the majority. I hope that the boy got a job. Most adults i know aren't so quick to put down teenagers and the fact that our spelling isn't as good as others but we live in a society where the education system is more relaxed and they try to teach us more important things, also for any adults who put any young people down, i have a question to ask you, does it make you feel big when you put down a 14 year old? because that is all your'e doing. I'm trying to find a job myself at the moment and i know how difficult it is so best of luck anyone trying to find a job.                                                jessie age 14    Report

17/10/2006, 10:03 AM Poppy Joined on 05/07/2006 Posts 34 Re: Why are ther no jobs for 14 and a half year olds??? Oh here we go again, jangel, who is stereotyping who on here.  Many of us have tried to offer you sound advice as asked for by teenagers whom we have treated with respect and still we get insulting remarks back in turn. No, I wouldnt give you a job with what you said on here, you have generalised adults in the same stereotypical way you are accusing us of and in my case, I have become sick of your whining about jobs not falling into your laps, glossing over the fact that your command of the English language is poor and lazy in the extreme because you wont even make the effort to use the language or spelling which is the only one used in the business world. I have been at college where foreign students can write better English than some of the young people writing on here. I was a champion of your plight at the beginning of this thread but now am sick of the attitude that everything should be given on a plate, good job, good pay for precious little return, not even a good grounding in social skills. You have precious little to complain about, your parents are supporting you, you are fed, clothed and housed, all you have to do is keep at it until you find a job, you have been advised by concerned people who care about your plight, but what you really need is a good kick up the backside to get you motivated and moving. So, you have tried, well try again and again and then again.  It is up to you to prove you can do what you say and if people do not want to hire you, you could take voluntary work to give you work experience for the few months which can add to your CV and show you are able, willing and motivated until you become of an age where you are employable for responsible jobs. This is the truth in the grown up world which you want to enter, nobody will care about your feelings because they are there to earn a living, not look after you or pander to your way of doing things, this is a harsh truth but one that needs taking in.  People will not put you down in this situation, they will order you out of the door double quick when you write a letter in poor English, or speak to a customer on the phone in the way you speak to your friends. May I suggest that you look at how you put adults down, in regards to your posting because by doing this, you have alienated me, one of the people who backed young peoples efforts earlier and willingly gave a helping hand to them in their job search. Perhaps if you change your attitude, it might change your luck.     Report

17/10/2006, 2:32 PM BB Joined on 14/10/2006 Posts 71 Re: Why are ther no jobs for 14 and a half year olds??? Jangel, it is difficult if you feel employers aren't giving you a chance because of your age.  I feel that employers should be making allowances for, and giving opportunities to, the younger person seeking part-time employment.  After all, we weren't born with an abundance of work experience; that is built up by people being given a chance in the first place.   All I can say is this (excepting the age limits attached to certain jobs) think positively; if employers can't accept what you have to offer, even in spite of your age, do question if that employer is worth working for.  As an individual, regardless of your age, you do have a right to be treated with common courtesy.   Having children myself, my sympathies go out to the next generation being able to find both enjoyable and stable employment; with the spate of redundancies and apparent shortage of jobs in this current climate, it is a tough world out there!   I wish you the very best of luck to you in your search for employment.    Report

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