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 24/06/2008, 4:34 AM
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ironsmad
 
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Can you really see this government giving the go ahead for plasma gasification in this neck of the woods ,They are skint , old brown pants went begging to the Arabs on the week-end for them too invest in green fuels in this country .He must be thicker than we all thought, we lag behind everyone what to do with waste and what new fuels to invest in. Weekly collections will soon be back , people just don't want a stinking bin in their back gardens and they certainly don't want to pay extra to have removed once a week. It will end up being burnt some where. This government knows the best local authorities with recycling figures have incinerators and I guess that's the way they will go. Would they put one in Norfolk I would say yes, as there is big money to be made in taking on other councils crap.Where they put it probably Kings Lynn .As it is a very poor area with many immigrants moving in and settling down , more social experiments .
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24/06/2008, 5:49 AM
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GreenBlue
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Brown is willing to subsidise potentially an incinerator for £75m, the county the other £75m near KL. So dedicated cash committed. So why not a less costly Gasplasma or Arrowbio. Most Gasplasma companies say they can do it without govt PFI subside and rely on energy gas/gate fee revenue to cover costs. You are going to have a riot if an incinerator is proposed in KL, and mass riot if other areas waste comes to KL to burn, and double emissions.
Wrong on good recycling/ burner. Its a well known lie and spin. Government knows the worse councils for recycling have incinerators like Nottingham, Southwark, Portsmouth. Thats why govt paniced and allowed them their in the first place. The best recycling councils like Bath/N S somerset haven't a incinerator, don't what an incinerator. Suffolk was a good recycler before thinking for an incinerator, but had to cut recycling and recycling investment by 10% to afford its burner plan
Neighbours are going to lynch rubbish burners, re last event in Bowthorpe, especially neighbours with kids.
Weekly bins coming back. Dreamin! More tosh from madtosh. Not in Norwich or Norfolk where its embedded. Fact: Norfolk has the 4th best recycling county in the UK 45%( Broadland, NNorfolk,South Norfolk all 50%), all with fortnightly bins, all without incineration. Only 20 councils out of 150 have chickened out. Personaly I won't pay extra to have it back. Unfortunately 2+2 don't=3. Council tax payer will have to fork up extra, that means me, no way. Perhaps it will need scottish nuparty stooges to come to norfolk, because no other norfolk party supports going back. I suspect these bin slugs and anti environment stooges will get a good electional kicking back to scotland or the dark hole they crept out of.
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24/06/2008, 1:28 PM
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ironsmad
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Could you really see mass rioting in Lynn white folk don't riot or have the balls anymore; last time was the hunting ban march by gentle country folk and they were soon, smashed to bits by the Mett plod. The young have been brain-washed and allowed to get drugged up and pissed up, The man who got murdered by the nutcase was the one who complained about the bonfire, the person who carried this crime out is scum and should never come out. Only ethnics protest now and riot, as the plod up & down the country are scared of being called or branded as raciest thugs. Unless your ethnics are promised 70 + virgins for rioting over rubbish ,all I see happen is few letters to the local papers. As with post offices this government
just does what it likes.The 20 councils who have not taken up 26 weeks rubbish collections,have the sense to see the health implications of leaving rotting stinking maggot infested garbage in a bin for 2 weeks. Our bin lorry you can smell coming before you here it,lets hope you don't get stuck behind one on your penny farthing concept of travel Blue bottle.Otherwise your breakfast will be in on your handle bars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yuk
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24/06/2008, 6:50 PM
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GreenBlue
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The 20 councils cried scared are in a eventual dead end solution which will slow their recycle, will have to pass on the cost to hard pressed pensioners. I don't want weekly wasting back in Norwich or Norfolk.
Press is always going to be more powerful than a riot. Saying that 2 public meetings in Costessey were faily close to a lynching.
Bowthorpe, that was the extreme point. Proves the type of nutty slug personality and mentality behind chuckers,wasters and burners. Its on a spectrum. Their first premise is they can't give a monkey's about others, do as you likey's.
Not sure what you are ranting on about ethnics, you're probably right about brain dead thugs.
Rubbish lorries have always smelt, 7 days or 14 days. Produce less garbage or waste food, they won't smell as much will they.
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29/06/2008, 10:55 AM
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GreenBlue
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Re: Incinerators & infant mortality rates at electoral ward level EU
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The following expert peer reviewed report states technologically why advanced digesters and gasifiers (ATTs) are 100% better and more advanced to deal with future waste than burning/incinerating it. I rest the case!!!
http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/environment/waste/docs/efwtechnologiesreport.pdf
Providing the C21st technical referenced peer reviewed science; letting others provide the C20th knee jerk incinerator tosh!
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29/06/2008, 1:13 PM
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ironsmad
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Any report for red ken would be in-favour of his worn out Lefty -loving ideas, poor ken and his newts. EU will be the governor on all.
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29/06/2008, 2:37 PM
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GreenBlue
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I don't read too much into Left/Right. More Poor/Smart solutions. Burning waste is poor whilst converting it mid London to car/transport fuel is smart. Well even toff idiots like Boris [pretty right wing] and smart left [Ian Gibbo, another backer] understand the concept and accepts this report as mainstream and common sense [nabbing a good idea when he sees one], and has pushed the Hydrogen Partnership for London to the forefront; perhaps hydrogen fuel from/Gasplasma too technical for you madtosh? Keep talking maggots and newts!
http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/environment/energy/london-hydrogen-partnership.jsp
Petrol is going to be £2/litre soon, whether Brownpants cuts fuel tax or freezes it, makes little difference. Abolish vehicle tax= NHS cuts, police cuts, less border guards, defence cuts, etc. Petrol prices out of control now, and will get more so on the UK/Global market. Can you see it getting better? No, like Russian gas prices this winter, refinery capacity aging.. Total/Chevron are trying to back out of Browns wishful West of Shetland oil exploration push, saying deep platform exploration will make them losses. No solutions from madtosh, just armchair cheap shots. Browns [and most western leaders] have got their nuts in an energy/opec//fuel/food vice, and so has the UK. The fundimental outcome will be whether we back new technologies that creat home spun solutions, or do little, whinging at opec/ saudis [like Brown, and motorists at Brown] for not producing enough black stuff, sucking us further dry!
Hydrogen hybrid cars [14 car companies ready to manufacture] are the future with perhaps 10% from local Biofuels/Biogas. You need Gas from Garbage as a main part of this.
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29/06/2008, 9:08 PM
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ironsmad
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Having read the document, put off by the into of climate change fairy story it only hints at the 3 choices . But newt eye's had his preferred option before any information was gathered. .Its all a bit vague on the final costs of construction and running maintenance of any of the 3 treatments of waste. All points to bankers giving the nod incinerating ,highest efficiency in waste to power. High level of operational time on line and plant performance and reliability. Combined with district heating, The EU will decide for London or any where in GB. And boy they just love incinerators and district heating.
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29/06/2008, 10:16 PM
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GreenBlue
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More tosh. EU love MBT as much as they love incinerators, Germany, the biggest is 50/50.
Its a very clear report. The reports scope is only thermal technology comparison
Incineration is low efficiency, with ATTs twice the % efficiency.
Plasma Gasification is Combined District Heating.
Bankers and Council are on a knife edge with regard to technology choices..
EU have little to do with ultimate technology choice
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30/06/2008, 1:19 AM
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ironsmad
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EU long term plan is district heating taking on board all of the technologies, It falls flat in this country as a lot of our economy's wealth is tied up in the housing market.and most people want to own their home , so unless there is a big shift towards renting, as there is in Europe I can't see how that would happen. Unless this credit crunch turns into a major recession with house prices slashed and millions lose their jobs. Perhaps Europe wants us to be poor and rely on social housing.The haves and the have-nots ,They seem to be very big on socialist policies , which seem more in line with communism . All we want with a fuel queue is a bread q ueue comrade blue bottle.
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30/06/2008, 5:58 AM
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GreenBlue
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Technically all a technology has to do to qualify for district heat, of as Combin Heat and Power is to find a heat client or number of heat/energy clients [usually offices, industrial, sports centre], many configurations are possible. This may or may not involve houses. EU policy on waste [Waste Framework Directive] was actually authored by SW Englands Right Wing Tory MEP and rapporteur Caroline Jackson, the old baggage and rogue. Its a framework only. Europe has no preference for district heat; some cities go for it, others against it. All Europe requires is the highest energy efficiency % rate from a technology [gas, electricity or heat output] which helps CHP schemes. CHPGasification=40%, CHPAnaerobic Digestion=40-50%, CHPIncineration=27-28%max. Double Renewable obligations certificates are a financial driver, that incineration doesn't qualify, but ATTs/AD do. Heat [offloading heat] can't travel that far, unlike gas, electricity and this is where decentralised energy/CHP concepts come in. Some well planned, others not.
The majority EU seating is right wing parties, EPP, 230/732 seats in the EU parliament. Its not a socialist thing. Its a Grandiose mentality.The different UK/EU mentality (especially German/France) is UK plans out of shorter term expediency. This works in many instances, build a bypass here, an eco town there, airport expansion, buses rather than longer term trams. A noticeable exception is the EuroStar. Certainly the French/Germans plan on a longer term grander scale such as Stuttgart 21 rail link from the UK to Belgrade, French /German TGV/hispeed rail, and Nuclear Power station network, Airbus/EADS, German 20% solar panels rate on buildings, car production/national brands. In other cases this doesn't work such as nationalised airlines and ambition of European standing army, obsession with CAP.
In Nottingham since 1980's this has been incineration, supplying district heat to council houses and offices. Nottingham has one of the highest infant mortality rates, asthma and COPD in UK, knife/gun crime, benefit cultures and still lowest % recycling rates in the country. A socialist utopia?? The soccer team isn't that good either.
Another case is where Australian company Novera is using gasification at Dagenham to supply both heat and electricity to Ford's car plants. The fuel is RDF from the MBT at Frog Island.
In Kings Lynn the technology proposed supplying CHP to Centrica Gas power station or Palm Paper could be gasification, autoclaving [MHT] and AD, MBT and AD, incineration, gasplasma, plasma arc gasification and pyrolsis. People know my technology preferences/ opposed views in oder to acheive CHP.
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30/06/2008, 2:53 PM
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GreenBlue
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22/07/2008, 2:48 AM
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GreenBlue
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30 more silly incinerators nationally. 30 more unhappy local /city public
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22/07/2008, 4:21 AM
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ironsmad
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If they generate heat or electric in my opinion they are not silly, rubbish is as I said before is big money maker now. Its what the EU wants us to have, local councils don't have any power to stop any of these plants from being built . With money being handed out by governments and the jobs that would be created its going to happen as I said all along.
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22/07/2008, 9:44 AM
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GreenBlue
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