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 31/05/2008, 3:00 PM
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GreenBlue
Joined on 24/05/2008
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Re: Council won't take war veteran's rubbish
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Yes I agree Brush and Bliar should be put on trial. Many civilians in Iraq have been slaughtered.
Global warming: The debates over and the science is correct. KNC is Radical BS and paranoic fiction. The mentally can't determine / differentiate rational truth from spin; so it cries spin to all. Man enhanced Global Warming has the same probability as Newtons 2nd Law of Gravitation.
3rd World doesn't exist now, since the fall of the 2nd World/Berlin Wall. New terms are MEDCs, NICS and LEDCs. You can grow anything in Africa! LEDCs can't feed themselves as they are ruled by corrupt and incompetant despots and officials like Zimbabwe, Burma, Kenya,Sudan, Somania, Chad, Haiti, North Korea, Uganda, Congo, DCR, Seirra Leione, Liberia. They are all at it, no moral fibre. You can't blame the UK for colonialism, MNCs for neocolonism, even global warning. China rules the African continent today, with controlling metal/oil resource interests in all of the above. Why should the UK feel guilty its taken over 45 years since independence for these countries to sort themselves out. Its like a revolving door of revolution, sob story, cap in hand, billions on military arms, tribal conflict; the 4 horsemen of disaster. AIDS,Civil War, Poverty, Hunger. In Kampala, Uganda, people shop for luxury food in malls, driving mercs and people carriers, whilst kids go begging in sticks.Yes, 1982, Ethiopia, bad drought/ famine- but where is the self styled progress since?As you say, we have poor and hungry kids and families in the UK, high food, fuel, house prices, lack of homes, poor pensioners suffering food/fuel poverty, ferral kids stabbing each over, normally someone innocent. I think we'd better sort out our own back yard first, or even our comprehensive recycling bins!
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31/05/2008, 3:49 PM
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ironsmad
 
Joined on 12/03/2008
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Re: Council won't take war veteran's rubbish
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Its took Britain more than 45 years to stop its wars with the scots and the rest of Europe,what Africa needs is help developing its infrastructure and stopping the corruption.This country has stolen more from Africa in the name of Empire building than what China is buying,Hey were still invading countries and telling how they must live.Iran will be next .
Climate Change pity I won't be around 1000 years time to watch Yarmouth go under 5 ft of ice cold sea water.Climate CHANGE CAN BE GOOD ;
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31/05/2008, 9:47 PM
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GreenBlue
Joined on 24/05/2008
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Re: Council won't take war veteran's rubbish
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Hey, I refuse to take liability for the attitude of past generation and BS. UK owes Africa nothing, and as a tax payer, I done either. I don't blame or hate the current crop of Germans for two wars and a 4 million genicide. Sorry time to stop this loonie lefty guilt trip. China has choices, and the lessons/legacy of history.
Let Africa develop itself, with africans in and african way.
Yarmouth 50-100yrs more like if Greenland goes! Change, not if you haven't time to put ones underpants on, or perhaps wetsuit!
45years, don't you mean 400 years+ and still going?
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01/06/2008, 8:15 AM
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GreenBlue
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Re: Council won't take war veteran's rubbish
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most flies take 10 to 12 days ,less if warmer from egg to maggots which means most bins will have maggots crawling out from them before the next collection ,health /safety not only for house holders but bin men,the smell of food waste rotting in a sun baked bin will a bring in plenty of rats into the garden,what a great summer Norwich tax payers have to look forward too. Save the planet even my 10 year old son knows your all nuts Al Gore loon tune.CO2 what a load of doom +gloom planks .
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Tosh! I'm a Norwich tax payer. Well its summer, fortnightly bin collection tomorrow, checked the bins this morning. No maggots, no fly, no rats eating their way through my PVC bin; and thought "what a lot of uniformed Tosh my ironman". Where are these rats and flies. Friends of mine in South Norfolk and Broadland have had AWC for bins and have both told me these ill informed comments are stupid led by tabloids likeDM/DE whose sole interest is to sell more papers and line Max Hastings pockets. Come on where are these rats. Bahhh!
If my rubbish bin is collected weekly again; Citycare will charge the council £20-30 extra, and this will go on everyone's council tax bill in Norwich; bung the roads up more rubbish lorries and more transport emissions from you. I actually happen to know the renegociated contract with Citycare to allow AWC cost little extra to the tax payer. It was negociated a as gain of a blue bin collection for a loss of a weekly rubbish collection. Reverting to 3 240l wheelybin collections fortnightly (2 rubbish,1recycling blue bin) will cost masses; and contracturally it will be termed a variation or extra. Veolia own Citycare, and they will make Norwich City Council. nd
This is a no brainer and non starter. I don't know why it is discussed. Councils that have succumbed to this misguided media driven pressure have either cut other services, cut recycling or charged residents more. It would be cheaper for Citycare/Council to collect 2x food caddy weekly by small transit tipper, as they would underwrite this by recycling/ composting credits by diverting biodegradable waste from Landfill. So most people (where are all the letters of complaints in the EEN?) are happy with AWC and would go to weekly kitchen caddy for the landfill reason I've given.
Lats comment - as not on bins/ and pointless different strokes for different folks. Problem with loony denialist, they don't fully review the range and mass of science and research; read too many cheap rags/ headlines and armchair pix n mix what they read/what to read to fit their own prejudices and agendas! Problem with radical Militants/Greenham Common nuts of the 80's they split into a few groups, Loony Denialist/Conspiratists [Sad introverts] and Extreme Loony Green wearing bin bags outside airports [Sad extroverts]. I dismiss both as fringe and irrelevant! Save the planet? The planet is already saved, with billions of future year! The whole point of taking action is to avoid cities at sea level being flooded, biodiversity, and the bankrupting mega £trillion hungry housemove involved [Stern]
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01/06/2008, 10:37 AM
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ironsmad
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if you have the brown bin collection you have to pay for that £35 a year for that's 26 collections cost less than 52 for rubbish,not saving the saving planet its all about saving money one big con ,why complain to local paper this council couldn't give fig direct action via net and tv is better,with summer just starting watch for the complaints about smells and vermian.
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01/06/2008, 12:00 PM
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GreenBlue
Joined on 24/05/2008
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I doubt the many satisfied residents wouldn't have a reason to complain. South Norfolk residents have had the twin bin system for 3-4 summers so that can evidencially and by experience can tell you ironmad, you are talking twaddle. Norwich has homes, I bet by the end of the summer you will have 20 or so problems from less informed residents who leave their lids up, overfill and don't follow council guidance. Its usually the same people.
Tosh again. Got the science and service wrong about Brown bin scheme. A free service is available from the council, they provide free home composters for garden/food waste, cutting collections costs and emissions. If you send garden waste to landfill, cover it over, no air, you get methane; 23x as potent as CO2 as a greenhouse gas. Even 10 year old know this.
Why as a council tax payer with no garden or garden waste, should I be subsidising the Brown Bin service for garden owners; 30% of council tax payers in norwich live in flats. So £35 Brown Bin service has to be separate and cover its own costs. Any other way is unfair to flat owners or homecomposters.
Because some people prefer a central system, can't compost or use compost in their gardens; the council has added onto the free home composting service; the £35 subscription Brown Bin collection to capture and compost garden waste, making a compost product, rather than a toxic waste ash or landfill pollution is would be the case in ironmad's solution. 7000 household totally disagree with ironmad and have voted with there wallets and consider the Brown Bin service good value for them; especially if they share the Brown bin/ cost with their neighbour, which the council encourages.
£35 is a cost of this collection, a collection. Certainly I don't want to waste this on 26 [ thats £35x40,000=£1.4million, this is how much more ironmads proposal is going to add to the Norwich CC bill, less for recycling ] less efficient, polluting end of pipe general rubbish collections, to serve nothing but to satisfy a misguided bunch of bandwagoners supporting press witchdoctor Max Ringsting. VERY VERY BAD IDEA!
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01/06/2008, 3:46 PM
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ironsmad
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Its no tosh that I am paying more in council tax and a reduced service BIN MEN CAME 52 TIMES LAST YEAR NOW ONLY 26 Saving the council money no TOSH fact
we also had the recycling green box which I have Always used and I care about the environment if you want to reduce a service I want some tax back.If the council wanted to save the planet plant more tree's and plants,don't build anymore homes on greenfield sites .Recycling will not save the planet .
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01/06/2008, 8:47 PM
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GreenBlue
Joined on 24/05/2008
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Re: Council won't take war veteran's rubbish
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Arhh. Hey you've missed something
Before 52 waste collections, 240l, recycling 60l Green Box fortnigtly
After 23 waste collections, 240l 23 2recycling 240l and 23 Green Box 60l (Glass). Basaically adjusting"restwaste"capacity it is called technically. Before 540l (240x2+60) to After 540l (240+240+60) per fortnight
Norwich has CAPITAL INVESTED £2m in 40,000 new bins, added service. 60l Green Box was considered too little for recycling, it was a "standing joke" with 6 other councils in Norfolk, all who operate the twin bin 240l system for some years.Norwich had to change, but because the LibDems left norwich with a £2m deficit, the weekly bin collection couldn't be kept, as the premier service / priority was recycling and massively upping recycling rates/capacity.
Cityuncare agreed to the changed contractural service. No extra change. The council saves no collection costs, but benefits over time from 1) Recycling Credits 45/tonne, and 2) Avoiding £157/ tonne landfill tax/fine in 2011 for every one of the tonnes previously you had in you previous 52 rubbish collections.
Before change recycling rates static 16% [problem], now 27% and rising. So the council is saving you massive landfill tax hikes now and in 2011.
Recycling doesn't save the planet, but it saves energy, from fossil fuels, saves virgin materials from way off places, adds value and ecomonic activity, create jobs, and if you use your blue bin correctly saved landfill/reduces pollution.
You are paying 4% more, but that the 4% the council need for Unitary process and consultants. Council have kepts Cityuncare'/Veolia (incinerator company) charges to the councils the same, zero increase.
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01/06/2008, 8:57 PM
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GreenBlue
Joined on 24/05/2008
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For 23 collections, read 26 collections
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02/06/2008, 5:43 AM
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GreenBlue
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Interesting story today on "Freegans". Wonder if we have any resident Freegans in Norwich?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/content/articles/2007/10/10/fregan_video_feature.shtml
Bet ironmad's bin might be at risk. Get those padlocks out.
I'm proud to say there is no risk of Freegans raiding my bins. Absolute zero waste food., pine fresh! Better watch the allotment though! Perhaps they should be engaged as bin police, reinbursed by what they recover from residents bins? An incentive to shred those personal docs properly?
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05/06/2008, 3:21 PM
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ironsmad
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nice to see all the plastics can go in the blue bin now good old Gordon.
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17/06/2008, 1:47 AM
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ironsmad
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This plant in spittelau supplies over 10,000 properties with heat ,any thing that converts rubbish to energy must be looked at.Sure there's health risks but least the Austrians are open too what they release from the plant,plus they are below EU emission's. Where our rubbish ends up saving global cement industries millions in fuels ,nice to see one their board members having a nice little EU job.That must be very good for them.Cunning Global Conning. Even David Ike couldn't see this one comming.
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