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 16/02/2008, 8:41 PM
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Michael Ryan
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Shrewsbury
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Incinerators & infant mortality rates at electoral ward level
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Those who saw me at Costessey High School on 29 January 2007 for the incinerator public meeting, organised by NAIL2 and Norwich Evening News, might recall the overheads I showed of electoral wards around incinerators and the fact that the "downwind" wards had higher infant death rates than the upwind wards.
I've updated the Coventry map as follows and if WRG can name any incinerator in England & Wales that does not have higher rates of infant death in the downwind wards, would they please name them as I've got tired of looking after examining data around twenty-eight incinerators.
http://www.ukhr.org/incineration/coventrymap.pdf
When I looked again at the Coventry data to include the 2006 statistics, I wondered where the five electoral wards with the highest infant mortality rates [2003-6 ONS data] were located and saw that instead of being randomly scattered around Coventry, they were in a single group that "just happened to be" immediately downwind of the incinerator in Bar Road. The odds against that occurring by chance are 1 in 8,568.
I also wondered where the two wards with the lowest infant mortality rates were located and saw that they were also in a single group, but that group was immediately upwind of the Coventry incinerator & the odds against that being a chance event are 1 in 78.
The odds against the five highest wards and the two lowest wards occurring in the pattern shown on the above map is 1 in 668,304, which doesn't seem very likely to me.
Note that the two lowest infant mortality wards in Coventry had zero infant deaths in 2003-6 while there were fifty infant deaths in the five "downwind" wards.
If WRG think "Oh, it's the poor people living in the high infant mortality wards", they'll have to change their tune when trying to explain away the exceptionally high infant mortality rates in some of the London electral wards which are not where "poor people" live but "just happen to be" downwind of incinerators.
I'll be happy to argue the case against their star witness, Professor Jim Bridges of Surrey University, who claimed that incinerators pose no harm to health at the Belvedere incinerator public inquiry.
Jim Bridges will be keeping his head down after seeing my infant mortality maps of Kirklees, Coventry and Edmonton incinerators that were printed in the Surrey Mirror and the Dorking Advertiser in January 2008 with regard to the proposed Capel incinerator.
Many thanks to NAIL2 and Norwich Evening News for last year's meeting and special thanks to Rob Whittle for making the above ward maps more professional-looking.
These are the London Boroughs with the five highest & five lowest infant mortality rates in 2006. It's really strange that the ones which are exposed most to incinerator PM2.5 emissions have the highest infant mortality rates while the Boroughs with the least exposure to such emissions have the lowest rates.
http://www.ukhr.org/incineration/coventrymap.pdf
Kind regards,
Michael Ryan,
Shrewsbury
Michael Ryan, Shrewsbury
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28/02/2008, 5:50 PM
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stan ley
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Re: Incinerators & infant mortality rates at electoral ward level
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 Michael Ryan wrote: | |
Those who saw me at Costessey High School on 29 January 2007 for the incinerator public meeting, organised by NAIL2 and Norwich Evening News, might recall the overheads I showed of electoral wards around incinerators and the fact that the "downwind" wards had higher infant death rates than the upwind wards.
I've updated the Coventry map as follows and if WRG can name any incinerator in England & Wales that does not have higher rates of infant death in the downwind wards, would they please name them as I've got tired of looking after examining data around twenty-eight incinerators.
http://www.ukhr.org/incineration/coventrymap.pdf
When I looked again at the Coventry data to include the 2006 statistics, I wondered where the five electoral wards with the highest infant mortality rates [2003-6 ONS data] were located and saw that instead of being randomly scattered around Coventry, they were in a single group that "just happened to be" immediately downwind of the incinerator in Bar Road. The odds against that occurring by chance are 1 in 8,568.
I also wondered where the two wards with the lowest infant mortality rates were located and saw that they were also in a single group, but that group was immediately upwind of the Coventry incinerator & the odds against that being a chance event are 1 in 78.
The odds against the five highest wards and the two lowest wards occurring in the pattern shown on the above map is 1 in 668,304, which doesn't seem very likely to me.
Note that the two lowest infant mortality wards in Coventry had zero infant deaths in 2003-6 while there were fifty infant deaths in the five "downwind" wards.
If WRG think "Oh, it's the poor people living in the high infant mortality wards", they'll have to change their tune when trying to explain away the exceptionally high infant mortality rates in some of the London electral wards which are not where "poor people" live but "just happen to be" downwind of incinerators.
I'll be happy to argue the case against their star witness, Professor Jim Bridges of Surrey University, who claimed that incinerators pose no harm to health at the Belvedere incinerator public inquiry.
Jim Bridges will be keeping his head down after seeing my infant mortality maps of Kirklees, Coventry and Edmonton incinerators that were printed in the Surrey Mirror and the Dorking Advertiser in January 2008 with regard to the proposed Capel incinerator.
Many thanks to NAIL2 and Norwich Evening News for last year's meeting and special thanks to Rob Whittle for making the above ward maps more professional-looking.
These are the London Boroughs with the five highest & five lowest infant mortality rates in 2006. It's really strange that the ones which are exposed most to incinerator PM2.5 emissions have the highest infant mortality rates while the Boroughs with the least exposure to such emissions have the lowest rates.
http://www.ukhr.org/incineration/coventrymap.pdf
Kind regards,
Michael Ryan,
Shrewsbury
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I think that the fumes from all incinerators are dangerous to health
if you live downwind. I live downwind from what used to be called May
and Baker at Sweet Briar Road Norwich and found it sickly and
unpleasant. It is not as bad as it used to be but is still discernable
in some weather conditions. Unfortunately the direction of Costessey
is the same as Sweet Briar Road and if an incinerater were to be built
at Costessey I would also get the fumes from there. I say that if you
don't want your children to be subject to noxious fumes you again have
a fight on your hands
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26/05/2008, 7:04 PM
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GreenBlue
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Re: Incinerators & infant mortality rates at electoral ward level
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Yep Stan and Michael,
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30/05/2008, 3:43 AM
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ironsmad
 
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Austria and Japan have lower infant mortality rate than uk .
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30/05/2008, 7:24 PM
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GreenBlue
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Austria's infant mortality level is 4.5/1000, the UK's average 4.9/1000. Both Austria's and Japan's industrial PM2.5 levels are have hotspots ,but similar to UK downwind hotspots downwind of refineries, oil burning power stations and incinerators. Japan is phasing out incinerators and using more plasma gasifiers like Tectonics and Hitachi
http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200412/000020041204A0373136.php Tokyo/Incinerator PM2.5 hotspot
http://www.popline.org/docs/253362
http://www.epha.org/a/670
http://www.epha.org/a/1778
like Tokyo and Osaka, Vienna is similar with higher infant mortality twice the national average and hotspots, with infant mortality concerns at low car designed leafy suburb of Floridsdorf 2-3 miles east/downwind.of the suburb of Spittelau. We provide the hard science and peer review references; leave others to their EfW Brownwash fiction and spin.
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31/05/2008, 11:09 PM
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ironsmad
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Certain ethic groups are more likely to have to have worse health outcomes.There is substantial difference in infant mortality rates, with 100% per cent higher rates for children born in the U.K. to mothers born in Pakistan compared to those mothers born in the U.K. Infant mortality rates are based on a mothers country of birth rather than the ethnicity of the child and thus may underestimate differences between the groups.Now down wind or up wind are they all living near incinerators or could it be some thing else,no well thats that then.there is a new saying surf and you will find,any thing else you want me to diss. CHILD POVERTY Google it
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01/06/2008, 11:12 AM
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GreenBlue
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01/06/2008, 12:51 PM
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ironsmad
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foleshill ward 85% per cent Pakistan ethnicity's . ST Michaels 97% per cent Pakistan ethnicity's and so 1 in 8000 odds don't seem so strange.England's Infant mortality rate 5 in 1000 ;Pakistan ethnicity mothers =100 % deaths more= 10 in a 1000 births .Some one some where can't add up or have got a point to prove.
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01/06/2008, 1:07 PM
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GreenBlue
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This ethnicity is far to simplistic/ isolated.There are 14 different studies, each with an incinerator; not just one swallow, summer. Are you saying that Pakistanis have an affinity to living in the shadow of the UK's 14 modern EfW facilities. In Hook NE of Veolia Chineham, the ethinicity is middle class,white A1 professions. Alan ball lived their and died of COPD. Waltham forest in the Shadow of Edmonton incinerator is a posh mainly white community. David Beckhams mum and dad live/lived there, same result. Infant mortality is only an early litmus paper of health problems, very strongly linked to air pollution, specifically PM2.5 industrial pollution, followed by lung function /developmentLEV80 [asthma] for 12-18yrs, followed by high CODP, followed by increased SMR over 100, over several years.
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01/06/2008, 3:19 PM
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ironsmad
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the late great alan ball (what a fantastic player and man ) died while having a bon-fire in his garden.Having been born a cockney and lived in London for 36 years,Waltham Forest is now 75% Asian this why there is white-flight the whole way in London.David Beckham hails from chigwell .
If ethnicity to simplistic why would the government state the data in its fight against child poverty have a crap upbringing you go on to lead a crap life style i.e.bad health early death.
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01/06/2008, 7:56 PM
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GreenBlue
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Checking infant mortality figures comparing upwind ward zones to downwind ward zones; their is no case of the UK's 20 incinerators where infant mortality is higher upwind than it is downwind. Prove me wrong!
Alan Ball and David Beckham's dad both died prematurely, young for strokes, [CODP] in the shadows of incinerators.Edmonton, and Hampshire, check it out. These should have been fit men. PM2.5 causes walling off /furring up of the arteries. Car crash waiting to happen/triggering
You tell a huge fib about Waltham Forest. The Asian population is 15%, which is the London average, 60% of Waltham Forest are White (Irish, White or Mixed White)[Waltham Forest Economic Profile August 2004], total population,@220,000 So Asian ethinity does not account for the high infant mortality figures in Waltham Forest.
Even an article on it: http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/search/display.var.1592749.0.concerns_over_infant_death_rates_in_chingford_green.php
Government is NuLabour, its obsessed about "deprivation" and social engineering, a huge waste of public money.
Deprivation by WHO in Africa means you are malnurished, no shelter orclean drinking water.
Deprivation in the government means one has no car, no plasma screen and spend too much on substance abuse.
It was only last year government got worried about the US EPA science and air pollution from industrial PMs and traffic, and it took Red Ken to introduce Low Emissions Zones in London and PM2.5 monitors for the first time. Prior to this there was only PM2.5 monitor for London, which is Marylebone Road near Easton. So you see why they had so little incinerator PM2.5 monitoring or data.
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02/06/2008, 2:06 AM
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ironsmad
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Chingford green you are considered rich if you have a lid on your wheelie bin and if there's any thing in it you must be minted. 30,000 Asians legal 30,00+ illegal .Eve the government admits too how many illegals there are in London, 2.5 million foreign legal immigrants.Read the rest of the local rag.Even fresh alpine air could not save that lot down Hackney Wick.
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02/06/2008, 3:27 AM
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GreenBlue
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02/06/2008, 3:31 PM
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ironsmad
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Did Dick van the man winkle take on board ethnic groups in his report ,It seems where ever these Incinerators are sited they seem to cluster Bangladeshis +Pakistan ethic groups.
Is there a hidden agenda by the government and local councils to experiment on foreign nationals. Did they drop clouds from a plane in 60's over Norwich .Back to Dick how comes with got so many kids every where in Norwich with hyper attention deficit and behaviour problems
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02/06/2008, 5:27 PM
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GreenBlue
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Ironmad, yep, think he even did a study. He also wrote/contributed the paper for George Monbiot about 1970's industrial location and the poor health in different communities. He did an child asthma study in SW wales 99% white community. Schools downwind of milford/haven refinery flares/oil power station masses (he uses inhaler counts), upwind/ further north, virtually no child asthmas/inhaler rates. Rossington Bros/villagers, the lads from Bacton terminus with 20x metal (cobalt) blood contents, he represented I gather. Like Cadmium, Cobalt is uncommon/occurs at very low PPM.
Planes: Yes it was Cadmium Sulphate spayingdoing a NBC fall out simulation over a isolated city, Cd being the marker chemical. Cd causes throat/ oesphagus cancer. Norwich was a hotspot, but like Christmas islands or nerve gas on servicemen at Porton Down noone knew the consequences and as top secret meant top secret/ national interest; noone took the rap during a Cold War/ Files get lost in vaults
ADD, ADHD,ODD, Autism - good question- got me wondering prior to the incinerator 2 years ago - Hereditory genetics? Bayer agriproducts(used to be Rhone Poulenc chemical) factory fume emissions/incinerators, oil based pesticides from downwind farmland? Norwich Airport?PCT vaccine policy/coverage? Too much computer gaming/ TV? Es/Perservatives in junk food? DPM from lorry/bus vehicles? Take your pick. All together? Don't think an incinerator near Norwich would have improved things.
Why does Norwich seem to have a greater proportion of population with adult mental disorders Bipolar/Depression re Hellesdon? It makes you think!!
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